Nathan Lynch of ... ... Harvey Segal, owner of "The Ad Tracking Guide" ... of the hottest ways to market on the net right now is to create what is
 
                    Nathan Lynch of (www.SuperAffiliateCash.com) 
 interviews Harvey Segal, owner of "The Ad 
 Tracking Guide" (www.ad-tracking.com)
 One of the hottest ways to market on the net 
 right now is to create what is called a mini 
 site. Usually one or more pages focused on 
 one theme. Harvey Segal of Ad-tracking.com 
 reveals some of his hard hitting secrets to 
 affiliate success.
 [Nathan] Harvey, I think the name gives it 
 away but can you tell us about your mini
 site ad-tracking.com
 [Harvey] Well Nathan, I think you've stumbled 
 on tip number one. You need a domain name which 
 is descriptive, so that people know immediately 
 what the site is about, is memorable so they 
 can recall it later, and contains keywords which 
 will improve the rankings in the search engines.
 The site describes how ad tracking programs work,
 how they differ, what to look for and provides
 product reviews.
 [Nathan] What made you build this site?
 [Harvey] A combination of two factors. When the 
 first ad tracker appeared about two years ago 
 I found it absolutely indispensable but later 
 discovered by chance that better and cheaper 
 versions were available. So I searched around 
 to see if there was a guide to these products 
 but could not find one. 
 At the same time the marketing experts were 
 advising us that niche sites (i.e sites with 
 a narrow focus) were the way forward and that 
 search engines would favor sites with a common 
 theme running throughout.
 Suddenly it struck me: if I wanted a guide I'd 
 have to write it myself. And so the site 
 started up - around March 2001.
 [Nathan] How does the site earn you profit? 
 Is it through banner advertising, getting 
 subscribers, or any other methods?
 [Harvey] Nathan I've never clicked on a banner 
 in my life, so there's no way I would use them. 
 There's no advertising at the site and I don't 
 even have links to the newsletter at my main 
 marketing site. I don't want to distract the 
 visitor from the goal of the site which is to 
 purchase an ad tracker, whereby I receive 
 affiliate commission.
 [Nathan] Well I did think that was the plan but 
 I could not see the usual affiliate links even 
 when I placed the mouse on the links. Where are 
 they?
 [Harvey] I expected that the author of the 
 Affiliate Success Blueprint would ask that! The 
 links are there all right, but with a few simple 
 HTML tags, onmouseover and onmouseout, you can 
 conceal them. You can check out the source code 
 to see how this is done. It's just that some 
 people are put off by affiliate links or remove
 the agent code at the end which unfairly undoes 
 the hard work of the affiliate in bringing them 
 to the site.
 [Nathan] I found the site very easy to navigate 
 and uncluttered. I'm fascinated by the way you 
 lead the reader through the site. Did you base 
 this style on any other site?
 [Harvey} I'm always on the lookout for good 
 ideas and I file them away for future use. 
 I continually modify the site to improve its 
 readability which is so important. It's often 
 a matter of balance whether to have a very long 
 page or a few shorter pages. There's no right 
 or wrong way.
 As you can see I just have five pages, starting 
 with a short introduction of why you need a 
 tracker then moving on to a brief explanation 
 of how it works.
 I don't want to deter the reader with anything 
 complex at this point. By now he may be 
 interested so on the third page I can let rip 
 with my "23 ways to use an ad tracker". 
 There's another reason for this page. I can use 
 the Url in a signature or an ad, such as: 
 Discover 23 unique ways to use an ad tracker.
 By now I should have an enthusiastic prospect 
 but before moving to the final product review 
 page I have a page of advice on how to choose 
 a tracker and here's that appropriate place 
 where I can include a little technical 
 information. 
 [Nathan] Let's talk about getting traffic to 
 the site. How do you go about promoting it?
 [Harvey] First I'll explain that there's two 
 types of minisites. You have the one page 
 mini site which is essentially a sales pitch 
 culminating in an order. I'll talk about 
 these later.
 The other type is a site, like this, filled 
 with useful information, resources and tips
 and which is not overtly a sales site. With 
 such a site you can submit to the two main 
 paid submission engines Yahoo and Looksmart 
 also to the Open Directory which is free, and 
 be sure that it will be approved. In contrast 
 a one page is unlikely to get approval.
 Also I use the pay per click search engines: 
 again there is the advantage that other 
 listings will show individual products 
 whereby a title such as "The Complete Guide 
 to Ad Tracking Programs" has more chance of
 apturing the reader's attention.
 [Nathan] So do you find the search engines 
 bringing you plenty traffic ?
 [Harvey] They bring a steady flow but not 
 excessive. The problem is that the keywords 
 "ad tracking" or "ad trackers" are not highly 
 searched terms: possibly because these tools 
 are not yet widely known. However with the 
 directory entries it helps to create a well 
 constructed description using other terms. 
 For example the Yahoo entry says
 Ad Tracking Guide: reviews advertising tracker 
 programs and their usage in campaign management
 affiliate marketing and classified advertising
 So I also get hits from searches on "classified 
 advertising" for example.
 [Nathan] So what are your other sources 
 of traffic?
 [Harvey] Well here's the real surprise Nathan. 
 I found that other sites are linking to mine 
 even though I have not requested them ! 
 [Nathan] What is the reason for this - and how 
 did you find out?
 [Harvey] They do this in order to give their 
 own readers a useful resource. I find these out 
 by examining my site logs, which tell me from 
 where visitors have come, and by using the 
 backward linking feature in the search engines. 
 Many of these links are from directory sites of 
 resources.
 But I have found links from personal sites 
 listing it as one of their favorites, and even 
 a site in another language. 
 Another example: Allan Gardyne writing in his 
 famous Associate Programs Newsletter advised.
 "If you decide to stick with Internet marketing, 
  I strongly urge you to NARROW your focus. An 
  example of a marketing site with a narrow 
  niche is Harvey Segal's www.ad-tracking.com
  (Type "ad tracking" into Google and you'll see 
  he has No.1 spot.) 
 And also of course, just to show how word gets 
 around, you have kindly offered to interview me 
 Nathan for your newsletter.
 I'll also mention what is the quickest way to 
 get word out about your product. By contributing 
 to the online discussion forums and providing 
 useful answers to other readers' problems and 
 putting your Url in your signature. And when the 
 questions are about any aspect of ad tracking 
 it's easy for me to retain a neutral stance and
 simply point readers to the "Ad Tracking Guide" 
 as opposed to a particular tracker with a 
 blatant affiliate link. 
 [Nathan] Now with all this traffic coming I 
 expect sales have been booming.
 [Harvey] Well there's two parts to a successful 
 web site. Getting targeted traffic and then 
 converting this to sales. You need both. Lots 
 of traffic does not necessarily mean lots of 
 sales. And at the start sales were few.
 [Nathan] Why was this ?
 [Harvey] Well I built my site on the principle 
 that it would be unbiased and without hype. And 
 I think that has definitely been a positive 
 factor in getting link popularity and good 
 tributes.
 But it was clear that I needed some form of 
 incitement to get my visitor to the point of 
 sale.
 So I tested out little changes, spicing up my 
 sales web copy, for example with an opening 
 statement "You are about to discover one of 
 the most powerful marketing tools to be found 
 on the Net"
 [Nathan] And did that do the trick ?
 [Harvey] It made little difference, so next I 
 decided to abandon neutrality and pick a 
 particular product, the one I personally use, 
 as a recommended purchase.
 [Nathan] Well a recommendation from the man who 
 created the Ad Tracking Guide must surely have 
 turned the balance.
 [Harvey] Wrong again !
 [Nathan] That must have been very frustrating 
 for you because I know from our conversations 
 that you an ad tracker enthusiast, using them 
 all over your sites, ebooks, forum postings 
 and the like.
 [Harvey] That's it Nathan. You've hit the nail 
 on the head. I needed to explain exactly why I 
 was so enthusiastic about that product and how 
 and where I used it.
 So I added "Click HERE to read a special review 
 on why this is our number one choice" which led 
 to a new page with a detailed explanation so 
 that readers could see real proof of how it 
 works for me.
 And bingo. Sales soared from that day. 
 [Nathan] That's a great tip for all site owners. 
 I find a personal recommendation more convincing 
 than any other factor. 
 I see you have multiple sites with entirely 
 different content and yet you link to them from 
 this one. Why would you want to do that ?
 [Harvey] These are the one page minisites I 
 mentioned before. Actually they are not strictly 
 one page. You need a few more pages to get a 
 decent ranking so it's an idea to fill them with 
 useful content but to ensure that there are no 
 distractions (such as external links) to deflect 
 from your primary goal of getting the sale.
 The reason that I link to them is that Google
 - which is now the most important engine - won't 
 index your site if it is not linked from another 
 site. In fact I have all my sites pointing to 
 each other to build up link popularity, an 
 important factor in the Google ranking algorithm. 
 [Nathan] How successful are these other sites?
 [Harvey] They vary. If I find one is not 
 performing I'll "throw" it away and try another.
 [Nathan] Throw it away ? After all that expense?
 [Harvey] Minisites are unbelievably cheap these 
 days. The main requirement I have is reliability 
 (uptime) - I don't need all the extra trimmings. 
 You can purchase such sites for $20 a year - 
 that includes the domain name as well ! 
 [Nathan] Can you tell us where to find such 
 resources?
 [Harvey] Yes, it's quite ironic. If I started 
 again and most web site owners agree with this 
 I would not have a big general Internet marketing 
 site as I have with www.supertips.com. So I have 
 converted the home page to a discussion about. . . 
 minisites !
 [Nathan] Harvey it's been great hearing about 
 your site and especially those tips you keep 
 giving us.
 
 
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